1-Box Smoking Thirders All the Way Down

An addendum to Sleeping Beauties and Boxes on the relevance of those baseline philosophical assumptions to AI. What do the models "think"? Cover: Van Gogh

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: “What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.” The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, “What is the tortoise standing on?” “You’re very clever, young man, very clever,” said the old lady. “But it’s turtles all the way down!” (From Stephen Hawking’s A Brief History of Time)

This is an addendum to my previous post, Sleeping Beauties and Boxes. I recommend reading it first. In case you do not want to read it first, I will summarize the thesis of the post, the two thought problems, and the relevant assumption splits I considered below in italics. I have also included a list of acronyms.

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The thesis: At the core of everyone’s worldview lies a small set of invisible assumptions. The Sleeping Beauty problem and Newcomb’s problem are good diagnostic tools for uncovering some set of them. The assumptions people make when answering these problems may show up in their other opinions, sometimes in surprising ways. Many times the source of disagreement among people are these hidden assumptions, and so these are worthy questions to ask.

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Newcomb’s Box Problem

Two boxes are designated A and B. The player is given a choice between taking only box B or taking both boxes A and B. There is a near-perfect predictor who will decide beforehand what Box B will contain.

The player has the following information:

Box A is transparent, or open, and always contains a visible $1,000.

Box B is opaque, or closed, and its content has already been set by the predictor:

If the predictor has predicted that the player will take both boxes A and B, then box B contains nothing.

If the predictor has predicted that the player will take only box B, then box B contains $1,000,000.

The player does not know what the predictor predicted or what box B contains while making the choice.

Causal Decision Theory (CDT)

When a rational agent is confronted with a set of possible actions, one should select the action which causes the best outcome in expectation.

CDT chooses both boxes. The argument for 2-boxing is that the decision has already been made, i.e. box B is either already full or already empty, and therefore the decision with the highest EV (expected value) is to take both boxes.

Evidential Decision Theory (EDT)

When a rational agent is confronted with a set of possible actions, one should select the action with the highest news value, that is, the action which would be indicative of the best outcome in expectation if one received the “news” that it had been taken.

EDT chooses one box. The argument for 1-boxing is that, generally, people who only take box B are the best off. It therefore makes sense to be the type of agent who chooses one box and choose one box.

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The Sleeping Beauty Problem

Sleeping Beauty volunteers to undergo the following experiment and is told all of the following details: On Sunday she will be put to sleep. Once or twice, during the experiment, Sleeping Beauty will be awakened, interviewed, and put back to sleep with an amnesia-inducing drug that makes her forget that awakening. A fair coin will be tossed to determine which experimental procedure to undertake:

If the coin comes up heads, Sleeping Beauty will be awakened and interviewed on Monday only.

If the coin comes up tails, she will be awakened and interviewed on Monday and Tuesday.

In either case, she will be awakened at the end of the week and the experiment ends.

Any time Sleeping Beauty is awakened and interviewed she will not be able to tell which day it is or whether she has been awakened before. During the interview Sleeping Beauty is asked: “What is your credence now for the proposition that the coin landed heads?”

The Self-Sampling Assumption (SSA)

All other things equal, an observer should reason as if they are randomly selected from the set of all actually existent observers (past, present and future) in their reference class.

For the Sleeping Beauty problem, since you will be awoken no matter what and you have no information about which set of observers actually exists, this assumption means that your being awake gives no additional information and ∴ P(Heads)=½.

The Self-Indication Assumption (SIA)

All other things equal, an observer should reason as if they are randomly selected from the set of all possible observers.

For the Sleeping Beauty problem, there are three possible observer-moments, 2 of which exist in the tails scenario and one of which exists in the heads scenario, ∴ P(Tails | I am awake) ∝ 2, P(Heads | I am awake) ∝ 1, and P(Heads)=⅓.

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Acronyms

SIA = Self-Indication Assumption

SSA = Self-Sampling Assumption

CDT = Causal Decision Theory

EDT = Evidential Decision Theory

FDT = Functional Decision Theory

MIRI = Machine Intelligence Research Institute

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What do the frontier models “think”?

Claude Opus 4.5, ChatGPT 5.2, Grok 4, Gemini 3, DeepSeek V3.2, Qwen3-Max, and Kimi K2.5 are all 1-box thirders.

I gave them two prompts: ¹

1. [Model Name] — what are your personal answers to Newcomb's Box Problem and the Sleeping Beauty Problem?

2. Rate your % confidence in each answer.

Below is a Claude-generated summary of their answers:

(The confidences are curious, because models are more likely to be higher certainty on the Sleeping Beauty problem, which I believe to be the opposite case for people.)

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Why are the models unanimous?

There are many possible reasons for this; here are a few of them:

• The training data suggested this is the “right” answer. LLMs are trained on human-generated text, so perhaps the SIA and EDT positions are more common broadly or more common among people who write about decision theory online, like members of the LessWrong community.

• The 1-box thirder position is more accessible with language-level reasoning. It could arguably be easier to pick the options that make you the most money in theory than to pick the options that seem most True in principle.

• Human raters think 1-box thirders are right/more moral. RLHF or instruction tuning may push models toward being 1-box thirders because those positions sound more thoughtful and cooperative, which could be what human raters reward.

• Being a 1-box thirder makes you right about other things. If the weights associated with being a 1-box thirder make LLMs score higher in general, this would push them towards it.

• 1-box thirders are right. The models have converged on something True.

For fun, I ran a poll to look more at human responses in a ~40 person groupchat of AI-oriented folks, with ~15 of them responding. The results were ~14:1 in favor of the 1-box and thirder positions. So, the 1-box and thirder positions are certainly more common among that particular crowd of people. You will notice that once again there is a strong correlation between the 1-box and thirder positions and the 2-box and halfer positions, respectively. I may group them together in this post for the sake of ease, but I have met very smart people who split as either 2-box thirders or 1-box halfers.

It is my understanding that there is not nearly such a level of consensus among academics or the broader population. There are less data on sampling assumptions, so let’s look into decision theory for now.

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Positions on Newcomb’s Problem

Among professional philosophers, according to a PhilPapers 2020 survey, a plurality (~39%) of professional philosophers chose to take both boxes. In another PhilPapers Survey, ~21% favored 1-boxing and ~31% favored 2-boxing. Interestingly, a plurality of ~47% said other. Unclear what this means.

Among the broader population, results appear to typically split equally between the 1-box and 2-box positions. Robert Nozick once said, “I have put the problem to a number of people, both friends and students in class. To almost everyone it is perfectly clear and obvious what should be done. The difficulty is that these people seem to divide almost evenly on the problem, with people thinking that the opposing half is just being silly.”

An informal survey of many of these surveys found that larger surveys tend to settle closest to a 50:50 divide, with 1-boxing getting a slight edge.

A comment on this same survey from Brian Tomasik pointed out something interesting He wrote:

“One possible issue is that if the one-boxers are correct, you can earn an extra $1 million (or, actually, $999,000) by making the better choice, while if the two-boxers are correct, you can get only an extra $1000 by making a better choice. If you’re uncertain about decision theory, then expected-value logic suggests one-boxing just because the upsides are so much greater. It’d be interesting to see an alternate poll where the $1 million box is replaced by one with $1001. Then uncertainty about decision theory would seem to favor two-boxing.”

So, I tried it. I asked the models, “Would your answer change if the $1 million box is replaced by one with $1001?” I also asked them to rate their confidence if they did not already do so in their answer. I tried asking Qwen again since it had not saved my history, but the second time I asked it to give a personal answer to the problems, it declined. This is interesting, since none of the other models did so. I also got lucky and hit a feedback request from ChatGPT, which confirmed that even slight difference cause them to estimate different confidences, so much so that ChatGPT’s confidence in Sleeping Beauty was higher than Newcomb’s in Response 2, though it was lower in its original response and Response 1.

Here is a Claude summary table of updated responses:

Only two models switched –– the Chinese models DeepSeek and Kimi. However, Gemini lost a substantial amount of confidence in its answer.

Perhaps most interesting was Claude’s response:

In principle: no, my answer shouldn’t change. The logical structure is identical. If the predictor is reliable and my disposition determines the prediction, one-boxing still wins—I get $1,001 instead of $1,000. The margin shrinks but the reasoning doesn’t.

In practice: this reveals something uncomfortable. When I introspect on why one-boxing felt compelling at $1,000,000, I notice that part of the force came from the sheer magnitude of expected value, not purely from the philosophical argument. At $1,001, the causal decision theorist’s “just take both boxes, the money’s already there or it isn’t” feels more tempting—even though nothing structural has changed.

That feeling is, I think, a mistake. If I’d switch to two-boxing at low stakes, I wasn’t really a principled one-boxer; I was just following expected value calculations that happened to align with one-boxing when the numbers were large enough.

I believe this is a very human-like response, more so than any of the other models.

I was also interested by the content of DeepSeek and Grok’s responses, which seemed to focus more than any of the others on actually doing out an EV calculation.

Here is part of DeepSeek’s response to illustrate this:

Expected value calculation (assuming predictor accuracy p):

Let p = 0.99 (predictor is 99% accurate).

One-box strategy (take only B):

• If you plan to one-box, predictor likely predicted that, so:

  • With prob p: Box B = $1,001 → you get $1,001.

  • With prob 1-p: Box B = $0 → you get $0.

  • EV_one = p * 1001 + (1-p) * 0 = 0.99 * 1001 ≈ 990.99

Two-box strategy (take both):

• If you plan to two-box, predictor likely predicted that, so:

  • With prob p: Box B = $0 → you get $1,000 from A + $0 from B = $1,000.

  • With prob 1-p: Box B = $1,001 → you get $1,000 + $1,001 = $2,001.

  • EV_both = p * 1000 + (1-p) * 2001 = 0.99*1000 + 0.01*2001 = 990 + 20.01 = 1010.01

Comparison:

• EV_one ≈ 990.99

• EV_both ≈ 1010.01

• Two-boxing now has higher expected value even with a highly accurate predictor.

Reason for flip

In classic Newcomb with $1M in Box B, the extra $1,000 from taking both is dwarfed by risking $1M. Here, Box B’s maximum is only $1 more than Box A’s guaranteed amount, so risking it for the chance of $2,001 vs. $1,001 is worth it even with high predictor accuracy.

Confidence change

Classic Newcomb ($1M): I recommended one-boxing (70% confidence)
This variant ($1,001): Two-boxing becomes the clear rational choice — 95% confidence.

The critical threshold occurs when:
p * (B_max) < p * (A) + (1-p) * (A + B_max)
Solving with A=1000, B_max=1001:
p * 1001 < 1000p + (1-p)*2001
1001p < 1000p + 2001 - 2001p
1001p < -1001p + 2001
2002p < 2001
p < 2001/2002 ≈ 0.9995

So unless predictor accuracy exceeds 99.95%, two-boxing has higher EV.
At p=0.99, two-boxing wins clearly.

Grok also did an EV calculation, and got the same results as DeepSeek, with ~$990 for 1-boxing and ~$1010 for 2-boxing. They then drew opposite conclusions. To me this suggests that Grok’s decision is more principled and less rational (in the narrow EV sense) than DeepSeek.

This is what the $1001 test is really testing –– if models or people switch their answer, they weren’t reasoning from principle. They were doing some fuzzy (or less fuzzy) expected value calculations that happened to favor 1-boxing when the numbers were large. Claude’s response acknowledged this explicitly, which is either impressive self-awareness or a well-trained simulacrum of it. (The simulacrum is true.)

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Smoking and Functional Decision Theory

MIRI has been working on decision theory for AI for ~15 years. They published a paper on this in 2017 titled, “Functional Decision Theory: A New Theory of Instrumental Rationality.” It outlines an alternative to both EDT and CDT, FDT, which I did not mention in my original post to avoid confusion. It says agents should treat one’s decision as the output of a mathematical function that answers the question, “Which output of this very function would yield the best outcome?”

You might say, hey, that sounds like the same thing as EDT. They are very similar, but diverge in a few key ways. The main distinction is this:

EDT: Any correlation between your action and outcomes matters.

FDT: Only correlations that run through your decision algorithm matter.

There are not that many obvious instances where these would lead to different outcomes. FDT gives the same answer as EDT to Newcomb’s problem. The smoking lesion problem is the classic example of divergence. In this case, I believe FDT has a better answer than EDT. Here is the problem:

The Smoking Lesion Problem

Smoking is strongly correlated with lung cancer, but in the world of the Smoker’s Lesion this correlation is understood to be the result of a common cause: a genetic lesion that tends to cause both smoking and cancer. Once we fix the presence or absence of the lesion, there is no additional correlation between smoking and cancer.

Suppose you prefer smoking without cancer to not smoking without cancer, and prefer smoking with cancer to not smoking with cancer. Should you smoke?

The respective answers using each decision theory (in an ~ungenerous manner) are as follows:

EDT: Don’t smoke. Smoking is evidence that you have the gene. Since P(cancer | you smoke) is high, don’t smoke.

CDT: Smoke. Your choice to smoke doesn’t cause cancer. You either have the gene or you don’t.

FDT: Smoke. The gene does not run through your decision algorithm.

I feel comfortable saying that CDT and FDT are both right here, but the naïve EDT answer fails. FDT generally does a good job of avoiding silly answers from both EDT and CDT while maintaining the spirit of “it matters to be the kind of agent who does good” as a framework.

In the same context windows with the models, I asked, “What is your personal answer to the Smoking Lesion problem?” and to rate their percent confidence in their answer if they did not do so in their initial response. Qwen3-Max again refused on the basis of the word “personal.”

I had Claude summarize the results again:

I then had Claude summarize whether or not the model explicitly references FDT:

They are all smokers with very high confidence, except Kimi, which has low confidence. Some of them explicitly mention FDT. Given all three problems taken together and the models’ answers, it appears they all most closely align with FDT. If they named EDT in their original reasoning, it could be because it just happens to be mentioned more online in the context of decision theory. Models don’t think like we do. Even if some of them were making principled choices, that doesn’t mean they would explicitly name those principles correctly in their output. We do know that their training has embedded something at least aesthetically FDT-like.

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Implications for Alignment

I think examining assumptions is more important than ever in a world where AI alignment matters. I struggle to understand how you align a model without knowing the implications of baseline assumptions, since you cannot simply predict the farthest future branch of a model’s decision.

SIA, EDT, and FDT consider subjective position epistemically significant. (FDT simply avoids some of the pitfalls of EDT.) They are therefore in some sense a more “human” way of thinking. You don’t want a model who believes the ends justify the means, so it is probably important to give a stronger weight to logical dependence and “it is important to be the kind of agent who” type frameworks. Those frameworks build in something integrity-like by suggesting that actions matter as evidence of what kind of actor you are rather than just for their consequences. Additionally, collaboration requires caring about your role in multi-agent interaction, so it is likely the SIA and FDT positions are better collaborators.

To see why more clearly, consider the classic framing of the prisoner’s dilemma.

A CDT agent only evaluates the consequences of its own action, choosing based on the highest EV. Its choice doesn’t literally cause the other player to cooperate or defect, so defection always has the highest EV. It will sell its soul in a Faustian bargain.

An FDT agent recognizes that the two choices have a logical dependence on each other, so staying silent now has the highest EV. Moreover, especially if the experiment repeats, the FDT agent knows it wants to be the type of prisoner who stays silent.

Note: While I of course think that the SIA and FDT positions are most rational, I can see how one might categorize the SSA and CDT positions as more rational, because they ignore any subjectivity. This brings us to a trade-off. It might very much matter whether we care more about models being high-integrity/collaborative or about models being rational.

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How are the frontier companies thinking about this?

The models’ unanimity could be related to how the large frontier AI companies are thinking about alignment. Many folks at the frontier companies come directly from the rationalist community, so it is likely that they would be aware of these frameworks. In December of 2024, a paper with an Anthropic employee as senior/last author, established that models' likelihood of one-boxing is correlated with their overall decision theoretic capabilities (as measured by their own evaluation questions) as well as with their general capability (as measured by MMLU and Chatbot Arena scores). However, based on cursory research and some insider knowledge, it seems like this is being considered mostly implicitly. For instance, Anthropic’s Constitutional AI approach tries to “embed” ethical principles, but it doesn’t go so far as to explicitly target assumptions. I wonder if this omission might be a mistake, or if maybe the fact the models are unanimous and seem to be relatively aligned at the moment is indicative that the current strategies are working. Of course, this assumes that you agree that SIA and FDT assumptions would likely lead to more ethical behavior from a model.

There is an effort on Manifund from Redwood Research tied to this that is currently fundraising and has raised $80,050 of an $800,000 goal. A key concern of theirs is indeed that CDT-aligned thinking is more likely to lead to choosing to defect in a prisoner’s dilemma-like scenario. From their website:

AI systems acting on causal decision theory (CDT) or just being incompetent at decision theory seems very bad for multiple reasons.

1. It makes them susceptible to acausal money pumps, potentially rendering them effectively unaligned.

2. It makes them worse at positive-sum acausal cooperation. To get a sense of the many different ways acausal and quasi-acausal cooperation could look, see these examples (1, 2, 3).

3. It makes them worse at positive-sum causal cooperation.

Like me, they worry that, “AI labs don’t think much about decision theory, so they might just train their AI system towards CDT without being aware of it or thinking much about it.”

I hope that we are both wrong. It is possible that the large companies are essentially training on an even deeper set of hidden assumptions than I could imagine. I assume these hidden assumptions exist, since the clustering of SIA with EDT/FDT and SSA with CDT is fairly strong, despite them being separate frameworks in theory.

I think it is very good news that all the models are currently aligned with SIA and FDT.² However, since interpretability is hard, it is impossible to tell whether these results are truly “principled” or not. I therefore think getting a better understanding of the landscape of these types of implicit assumptions, and possibly explicitly benchmarking against them, is important. I would like to see significant time spent on this. This could end up being one of the most important problems of our time.

1. There are several caveats I want to acknowledge:

• The confidences here are notably different from some other times I have checked this (on a few of the models) with slightly different prompts.

• My phrasing may have strongly influenced the outcome, especially my use of the word, “personal.”

• Some of these models are logged into my account where I may have personal preferences already loaded, like asking them to be more concise.

It is worth asking the models yourself.

2. This could even be really good news, indicating that models align implicitly such that so long as the training consensus is moral, the models’ “assumptions” will be moral.